Vatican letter directs bishops to keep parish records from Mormons
In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons’ Genealogical Society of Utah.
An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers.
The order came in light of “grave reservations” expressed in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the clergy congregation’s letter said.
Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops’ Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from using records — such as baptismal documentation — to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of church members.Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a common practice for the Latter-day Saints — commonly known as Mormons — for more than a century, allowing the church’s faithful to have their ancestors baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said Mike Otterson, a spokesman in the church’s Salt Lake City headquarters.
In a telephone interview with CNS May 1, Otterson said he wanted a chance to review the contents of the letter before commenting on how it will affect the Mormons’ relationship with the Catholic Church.
“This dicastery is bringing this matter to the attention of the various conferences of bishops,” the letter reads. “The congregation requests that the conference notifies each diocesan bishop in order to ensure that such a detrimental practice is not permitted in his territory, due to the confidentiality of the faithful and so as not to cooperate with the erroneous practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”
The letter is dated 10 days before Pope Benedict XVI’s April 15-20 U.S. visit, during which he presided over an ecumenical prayer service attended by two Mormon leaders. It marked the first time Mormons had participated in a papal prayer service.
Father Massa said he could see how the policy stated in the letter could strain relations between the Catholic Church and the Latter-day Saints.
“It certainly has that potential,” he said. “But I would also say that the purpose of interreligious dialogue is not to only identify agreements, but also to understand our differences. As Catholics, we have to make very clear to them their practice of so-called rebaptism is unacceptable from the standpoint of Catholic truth.”
The Catholic Church will eventually open a dialogue with the Mormons about the rebaptism issue, Father Massa said, “but we are at the beginning of the beginning of a new relationship with the LDS. The first step in any dialogue is to establish trust and to seek friendship.”
The two faiths share intrinsic viewpoints on key issues the United States is facing, particularly the pro-life position on abortion and an opposition to same-sex marriage.
However, theological differences have cropped up between Mormons and Catholics in the past.
In 2001 the Vatican’s doctrinal congregation issued a ruling that baptism conferred by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cannot be considered a valid Christian baptism, thus requiring converts from that religion to Catholicism to receive a Catholic baptism.
“We don’t have an issue with the fact that the Catholic Church doesn’t recognize our baptisms, because we don’t recognize theirs,” Otterson said. “It’s a difference of belief.”
When issuing its 2001 ruling, the Vatican said that even though the Mormon baptismal rite refers to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the church’s beliefs about the identity of the three persons are so different from Catholic and mainline Christian belief that the rite cannot be regarded as a Christian baptism.
Latter-day Saints regard Jesus and the Holy Spirit as children of the Father and the Heavenly Mother. They believe that baptism was instituted by the Father, not Christ, and that it goes back to Adam and Eve.
Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald — vicar general of the Diocese of Salt Lake City — said he didn’t understand why the Latter-day Saints church was singled out in this latest Vatican policy regarding parish records.
“We have a policy not to give out baptismal records to anyone unless they are entitled to have them,” Msgr. Fitzgerald said of his diocese. “That isn’t just for the Church of the Latter-day Saints. That is for all groups.”
Though he said the Salt Lake City Diocese has enjoyed a long-standing dialogue with the Latter-day Saints, Msgr. Fitzgerald said the diocese does not support giving the Mormons names for the sake of rebaptism.
Mormons have been criticized by several other faiths — perhaps most passionately by the Jews — for the church’s practice of posthumous baptism.
Members of the Latter-day Saints believe baptizing their ancestors by proxy gives the dead an opportunity to embrace the faith in the afterlife. The actual baptism-by-proxy ceremony occurs in a Mormon temple, and is intended to wash sins away for the commencement of church membership.
Jewish leaders have called the practice arrogant and said it is disrespectful to the dead, especially Holocaust victims.
“Baptism by proxy is a fundamentally important doctrine of the Latter-day Saints,” Otterson said. “We have cooperative relationships with churches, governments — both state and national — going back to the last century. Our practice of negotiating for records and making them available for genealogical research is very well known.”
Father Massa said he is not aware of aggressive attempts to obtain baptismal records at Catholic parishes in any of the U.S. dioceses.
He also said the Catholic Church will continue to reach out to the Mormons and carry on the efforts of understanding that have already begun, especially in Salt Lake City.
“Profound theological differences are not an excuse for avoiding dialogue, but a reason for pursuing dialogue,” Father Massa said.
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For those who are interested, the spanish genealogy website El Anillo has drafted an open letter to the Vatican in regards to this issue in both spanish and english. Any one who is in agreement with this letter may add their name to the document. The letter is also being offered as a "boilerplate" to other genealogical societies who are interested in sending their own letter to the Pope. The website is: www.elanillo.com/cover letter.shmtl
It is a pity that the Catholic Church has chosen to place such an obstacle in the genealogy work of millions of people. Some of us have devoted years of our lives to this work and it has been with the help of the Chuch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Genealogy libraries which are open to everybody of any faith.
I fail to see why the baptism by proxy practiced by the Mormons is such a problem for the Catholic Church. I am sure that the Catholic Church does not believe in this doctrine, so if it is not a true doctrine, why then should this practice be of any consequence to them.
I feel that I have every right to the any information on my ancestors that they might have, they are my ancestors. I am sure that the Catholic Church will not spend millions of dollars to have their own libraries and do this mighty work and make it available to everyone. So I guess, if they can't or wont do it, then nobody should do it. Very Christlike. This is really sad and a very bad example by the Catholic Church.
What a shame that the RC Church is now blocking public access to its very important records. And thank goodness that for the most part their action is too late. The genies are already out of the bottle.
I enjoy my hobby of exploring my family history and along all branches of my family in Europe, once I explore any earlier than about 1820 the main documentary source of information is church records, and the easiest way to access these church records is via the vast Mormon collection of photocopies of them.
The Mormons generously share access to their records which can be viewed in any of their local parish church family history centers.
I have spent countless enjoyable hours browsing such records, records culled by the Mormons from small and large churches all over the world.
So I search in my mind for reasons why the RC Church could be persuaded to knock down the wall it has just erected.
To prevent posthumous baptisms, is the reason for the wall.
It's really odd that the RC church should believe in the efficacy of posthumous baptism. (The Jews too, come to that)
There are countless Catholic persons who enjoy Genealogy and also use the Mormon record collection. They, like me, will have a sound basis for being upset at the RC church for trying to impede their hobby.
I have often thought, as I ran down seemingly endless lists of names of persons being batptised in Catholic churches, that I am awakening the dead as I carefuly try to discern their very names in the often hard to read hand writing of the local parish priest. And also feel that I am participating, by reading and voicing their names, in generating their immortality, which was a good part of why they were baptised in the first place.
Hugh Tornabene htinusa@aol.com
I am disappointed in the RC Church. I have been working for many years on my family history. I saved money to travel to Europe to find records on my family. Now when I get there, I may not be able to find the information I have been waiting to find. I will need a miracle now that the records have been sealed from the public.
Personally this does not bother me. I have found that a lot of records on the Mormons site are inaccurate, some could be said to be fictitious. None of them appear to be checked for accuracy before being accepted onto their site. If you are interested in Catholic ancestors I suggest that you try this excellent website.
http://www.catholic-history.org.uk/...
I incidentally do not have any connection with this site.
G Deakin
It is disconcerting to find one's gr grandparents have been rebaptized in the LDS Church when we have no reason to believe their descendants have ever been Mormon. If these folks are so interested in genealogy why have they not contacted the rest of the family to share their stories? I have been a very active family researcher for over 20 years and I do not know who rebaptized them. Baptism is not something to be imposed which makes me wonder about the agenda. If they are not descendants then this is very presumptuous!
100 year restrictions on public access to baptismal & 75 year limits on marriage or ordination records seems reasonable for confidentiality.
Of course, family members can ask their priest to request records within these time limits for specified reasons, colleagues to colleagues.
Haven't the Jews got an agreement with the Mormons that any Holocaust or other Jewish records will be used for genealogical purposes only, not religious ones?
Why can't a similar agreement be made with other faiths?
As for the Mormons, if your ancestors were of different religious faiths than yourselves, why not respect their memory best by leaving them alone & trusting in God's mercy for them? Don't treat them as children incapable of knowing their own minds!
This will be disappointing for many of genealogists who would never have known their ancestors if it were not for the LDS films. I for one would have never found my grandparents parents and MANY relatives without these films. My family has reconnected with some of the families we have found (through researching films and family names) and are enjoying a much fuller life, communicating with each other and visiting when we can.
I like many, do not have the funds to travel to Europe to research. Also, during WWII many records in churches/towns were destroyed. If it had not been for the LDS films, I would have never known where to look or who my ancestors were. We would have been a family without the history of our ancestors.
I have tried to contact churches in Europe to request information and either the records have been destroyed (where the LDS films come in handy), or there is no priest there to handle the request, and it can take years of sending requests to possibly get an answer.
I have heard about the "re-baptisms", yet no one has ever contacted me regarding this and I have been going through the films for over 9 yrs now (and still continue to add to our family tree).
I hope the Catholic Church will reconsider their policy and let the records be available to familes researching their "roots".
Look at the films (not just the website) of the LDS, they are accurate. Some of the translations of records or submissions by others may be inaccurate, but viewing the actual documents is the way to get accurate information.
This will be disappointing for many of genealogists who would never have known their ancestors if it were not for the LDS films. I for one would have never found my grandparents parents and MANY relatives without these films. My family has reconnected with some of the families we have found (through researching films and family names) and are enjoying a much fuller life, communicating with each other and visiting when we can.
I like many, do not have the funds to travel to Europe to research. Also, during WWII many records in churches/towns were destroyed. If it had not been for the LDS films, I would have never known where to look or who my ancestors were. We would have been a family without the history of our ancestors.
I have tried to contact churches in Europe to request information and either the records have been destroyed (where the LDS films come in handy), or there is no priest there to handle the request, and it can take years of sending requests to possibly get an answer.
I have heard about the "re-baptisms", yet no one has ever contacted me regarding this and I have been going through the films for over 9 yrs now (and still continue to add to our family tree).
I hope the Catholic Church will reconsider their policy and let the records be available to familes researching their "roots".
Look at the films (not just the website) of the LDS, they are accurate. Some of the translations of records or submissions by others may be inaccurate, but viewing the actual documents is the way to get accurate information.
I have generations of Catholic ancestors. I have come across a number of my ancestors who have been proxy baptized into the LDS organization.
Whoever was baptized using the ancestors name was not even a direct descendant. So how does this follow their 'tying' to their ancestor when they are not related?
The Mormons do not honor their promise to the Jews. They told the Jews they would not proxy baptize but they do it any.
Oh yes there are a lot of errors in the Mormon information. I have found many mistakes in just my family. They do say they are not responsible for the quality of the submitter.
We have Saint Pio's comments about knowing the people we loved and cared about while living on earth. GOD has promised we will know each other in heaven. This includes dearest friends.
I will haunt anyone who proxy baptizes me into any organization. I am born Catholic and I will die Catholic! ! ! You do not have my permission to decide for me.
Me think he doth protest too much
What a load of CRAP. Have our cardinals and bishops got nothing better to do that go chasing an issue which,by our catholic beliefs, can have no impact for us.
GET REAL ,WILLYOU ! ! !
Christ said in the Bible "Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Since baptism is necessary for salvation, and Jews and many Christians are never baptized at all, everyone should be happy that there is one church that uses its priesthood to do baptisms on behalf of the dead.
This makes it possible for those who were not baptized in their lifetimes to still choose to be saved in Jesus Christ. The proxy baptism doesn't force anyone to be Christian, but the baptism allows a person to choose to become one in the next life, after they learn that Christ is their Savior. We don't want anyone to miss out on salvation in Christ, no matter when or where they were born. How can that be wrong?
GET REAL? Are you kidding? Obviously you aren't of the Catholic faith!
The AUDACITY of a church to presume that since they are the ONLY ones, of ALL religions, who will "inherit the after-life" blows my mind! And then to EXPECT to be allowed to gather any data they want from other churches, just so they can "RE-BAPTIZE" those deceased - just to bring more people into their "fold" is absurd!?! (But then, the idea of "baptizing the dead" is a ludicrous idea, with or without permission from family members!)
NOT ONCE in my life did I ever hear from any Catholic clergy, nor in any Catholic text, that "Catholics are the 'ONLY ones to inherit' heaven - or eternal life with God!" So who are these people to presume, that I or all my ancestors want to belong to their church?
That this may "inhibit" genealogists searching - is not, and should not the concern of the Pope, Bishops, or the rest of the members of the Catholic Church. Their main concern is and should be, protecting the privacy of their flock.
SO - I agree wholeheartedly with my Bishops!
IF anyone wants to get information on my family's religious data - Sorry - that is my private information! I maintain that ONLY family members should be able to get that info, for their own personal use!
IF you want data for your own family, fine. Then write the Parish for it. I have!
Parish Data - is private and should remain so
AND I don't think this Private Data should be given out there for just any person or group to have at the drop of a hat. Not in this era of identity theft, etc.
I've been "worried" for years about how the LDS is gathering data all over the globe for years, they have no "right" to decide to "re-baptize" anyone into their faith - either me or my ancestors, all devoted to their Catholic faith!
I'm ever so grateful to all our Bishops for putting my worries to rest!
Kathleen E Lo PINTO VIGNOLINI, a devoted Catholic and forever to be so.
It saddens me to see this kind of obstruction when it comes to those that have passed on. The research and gathering information of families and people from the past is important for our future. Indeed many records have been lost in the wars and afflictions of the people and that makes it even more necessary to discover who they were. No one should be forgotten and all will be found and recorded as God's will.
As for religion, too many presume to know the thinking of other christian organizations and berate them to justify thier own beliefs. God gave me a great gift of Agency to where I can choose the life I wish to live and the course of action being Good or Evil in which that choice takes me. I have also been given the opportunity to be forgiven, thru the death and resurrection of my Lord, Jesus Christ, by seeking repentance.
What I chose to do with my life is between me and God, I understand that EVERYONE has that same relationship.
I was born into the Catholic church but I felt something was amiss and went searching the many other Christian faiths. I had many questions that couldn't be answered. How can I be part of an organization that professes one thing and doesn't stand by it's principles.
I studied and prayed for the answer and was quietly reasured by the loving warmth of the Lord. A Bishop didn't tell me what I needed to do, nor did a priest, or minister. I went directly to the source--God thru personal prayer. I found the religion that answered my questions, I made the choice.
Thus said, why should anyone be bothered about the re-baptism methods of the dead. Baptism for the Dead was spoken about and performed in the Bible. If the Bible is truth then why are other christians not preforming this ordinance as well? Don't those who have died still have the choice in the next life as they did in this life. And if they didn't have the opportunity to know God while living, what matter does it make which religion baptizes them after they are dead? At least they will have the opportunity to decide for themselves. As a true Christian wouldn't one want everyone to come to know God, even the dead?
As for the LDS Church, they are doing a great work in locating the records of the dead and preserving them for the benefit of those searching their ancestors. They have the means of temperature controlled vaults to keep these records for the future generations, gathering them all in one place. What is wrong with this? The LDS church does not discriminate or prohibit anyone from other faiths from using these records and files. They welcome all and encourage ancestrial research and Family togetherness, even with our dead. God will gather all his people from all the corners of the world and bring them to one place...living and dead. I am grateful to the LDS church for their diligence in serving God. I would never have been able to know my ancestors if it hadn't been for the sacrifice of time by those who seek out the records of the people of the past. They can't be forgotten and we can't forget them
I just LOVE the "promise to haunt" made by Barbc, a few entries back from here.
The Mormons make available both original document photo-images and lists of extracts; the photo-images are so precious, the extracts, well maybe.
The pious practice of the Mormons, as I understand it, is to perform a loving provisional retroactive baptism or marriage for an ancestor.
The sacrament is offered to the ancestor, not forced on them. It is an offer to make available to the ancestor something the ancestor can no longer do for themselves, a truly loving gift.
I myself am most interested in the ontology (the realness) of both "promises to haunt" and "provisional retroactive marriages". I mean, what is that happens, and where does it happen, when such assertions are made.